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杨澜访谈录——专访希拉里中英双语版———————————————————————————————————————DragonTVInterview:DevelopingaComprehensive,IntegratedDialogueWithChinaHillaryRodhamClintonSecretaryofStateInterviewWithYangLanofDragonTVBeijing,ChinaFebruary22,2009———————————————————————————————————————MS.YANG:ButthisisabeautifulEmbassy.SECRETARYCLINTON:Isn'tit?Iamsoproudandimpressedbyit.Ittookalongtimetobuild,butitisverybeautifulandveryfunctional.AndthearchitectureisChinese-inspired,soit'sreallyawonderfuladditiontoourembassycommunity.MS.YANG:Andsoyouaregoingbacktoday,right?SECRETARYCLINTON:Yes.Ihavetogobacktoday.MS.YANG:Andjustintimetocelebrateyourdaughter's29thbirthday.SECRETARYCLINTON:That'strue.Shewillbe29onFriday.AndIamverymuchlookingforwardtoseeingherforabirthdaydinner.MS.YANG:Okay.Sowhatkindofpathdoyouliketoseehertake?IknowshehasbeenstudyinghealthpolicyandmanagementatColumbia.SECRETARYCLINTON:That'sright.Ithinksheissomeonewhochartsherownpath,andIamveryimpressedanddelightedatthechoicesthatshehasmade.Ijust,likemostmothers,wanthertobehappyandhaveagoodlife.AndthatisreallyallIwishforher.MS.YANG:Doessheresembleyouinthewaysthatshedoesthings?SECRETARYCLINTON:Ithinksheisagoodcombinationofbothherfatherandme.Shehasaverywonderfulpersonality,andsheisahardworker,andsheisagoodfriendandacaringperson.SoIamjustveryhappytobehermother.MS.YANG:IknowyouhavejusthadadialoguewiththeChinesewomen.Someofthemyouhaveknownfor11years.Well,totheyoungergenerationofwomen,likeyourdaughters,whatkindofadvicewouldyouliketogivetothosewhoaspiretosucceedandlead,butcouldbeafraidoffailure?SECRETARYCLINTON:Well,that'sagoodwayofphrasingthequestion,becauseIthinkthatovercomingyourfears,whetheryou'reayoungwomanorayoungman,tobewillingtotakearisk,totrysomethingdifferent,tofollowyourheart,topursueyourdreams,takesacertainlevelofcourage.AndIjusttrytotellyoungpeoplewhoaskmeallthetimewhatIthinkaboutthebestwayforwardistobetruetothemselves,youknow,tolistentotheirownheart,todowhatgivesthemjoyinlife,andmeaningintheirpublicandprofessionalcareers.AndIthinkifyoudothat,youmaychange,youmaytakeadifferentpath.Butifyoucankeepfocusedonwhatyoubelieveisimportant,Ithinkthat'sthebestwaytoproceed.MS.YANG:Let'sgetbacktothistrip.InyourtestimonytotheSenateForeignRelationsCommittee,yousuggestedthatU.S.shouldusesmartpowertohandleinternationalissues.Howisthatapproach,orstrategy,reflectedinyourAsiantrip,especiallyyourtriptoChina?SECRETARYCLINTON:Well,itisourgoalintheObamaadministrationtoreachouttotherestoftheworldusingeverytoolatourdisposal.IliketotalkaboutthethreeD'sofourforeignpolicy:defense,diplomacy,development.Wewanttoemphasize,particularly,diplomacyanddevelopment.AndwhatIhavetriedtodointhemonththatIhavehadthispositionistomakeclearthatwewillrepresentanddefendtheinterestsandthesecurityandthevaluesoftheUnitedStates,butwewanttolisten.Wearedifferentcountriesanddifferentcultures.ChinaandtheUnitedStateshaveverydifferenthistories.Andweneedtounderstandeachotherbettersothatwecanfindmorecommonground.AndIwasencouragedbymytalkswithyourleadership,thatthereareanumberofareaswecanworkontogether.Weareconstructing,andhaveagreed,inprinciple,toastrategicandeconomicdialoguethatwillnotonlyincludetheeconomiccrisis,whichisveryimportant,thatChinaandAmericaleadonarecovery,globally,butcleanenergyandclimatechange,andmoreeducationalexchanges,andpeople-to-peopleexchanges,moreworkonhealthcare,medicine,science.Iwanttodeepenandbroadentheconnections,notonlybetweengovernmentofficials,asimportantatthatis,butbetweenallkindsofChineseandAmericans.MS.YANG:Youknow,formerTreasurySecretaryPaulsonusedtochampiontheU.S.-SinodialogueinthestructureoftheStrategicEconomicDialogue.HaveyouconvincedPresidentObamatolettheStateDepartmenttakebackthereigns?And,ifso,whatkindofnewframeworkofdialoguearewetalkingabout?SECRETARYCLINTON:Well,wearegoingtohaveacomprehensive,integrateddialogue.Itwillbeco-chairedbymyselfandtheTreasurySecretary,becauseIthinktherewasanawarenessthatourpriorengagementatthedialoguelevel,government-to-government,wasveryheavilydominatedbyeconomicconcerns,andbytraditionalTreasurypriorities.Theyareveryimportantbutthatisnottheonlyhigh-leveldialoguethatneedstooccur.So,wehavealwayshadalotofinteractionatmanylevelsofourgovernments.Butwhatwewanttodoistointegratethose,andtohaveourtwoPresidents,whentheymeetattheG-20summitinApril,announcethemechanismthatwewillbepursuingnow.MS.YANG:Haveyoufoundtheterminologytodefinetherelationshipbetweenourtwocountries?Becauseunderyourhusband'sadministrationwecalleditconstructivestrategicpartnership,andthen,intheBushadministrationwecalleditstakeholders.Haveyoufoundthenewwordsyet?SECRETARYCLINTON:Well,I'mnotasinterestedinthewordsasintheactions.Ithinkthatwehaveevolveddramaticallyinourrelationshipoverthe30yearsthatwehavehaddiplomaticrelations.ChinahasgrownjustexponentiallyinawaythatisarealtributetothepeopleofChina.ButwhatwenowneedtodoisdemonstratethattheUnitedStatesandChinacanworkproductivelytogether,notonlyonthoseissuesthatwehavebilateralconcernsover,buttoshowleadershiptotherestoftheworld.Ifyoujusttaketwomajorissuesconfrontingtheworld,Ido